I certainly hope the EU can put the same sanctions on the US for attacking Venezuela as they did on Russia for attacking Ukraine. This is indefensible.
@Gargron I doubt it, but some European countries might show a bit of a backbone and at least protest.
@Gargron Ukraine has a legitimate government. Venezuela does not.
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Unlikely. They're not even reacting when the US is meddling in the EU itself.
@eriksandblom @Gargron What an absolutely disgusting take. “It’s okay to kill people if they aren’t under the blanket of a government.”
GTFO.
@Gargron America is HUGE I MEAN FUCK HUGEST TROUBLE MOFO!
@Gargron Venezuela was selling resources to other regimes, and Venezuela drug's leader Maduro was on capture list
@Gargron fuck, I’m not usually someone who tries to avoid paying taxes (I believe it’s a required part of living in society), but man I really want to figure out how to not have to pay my US taxes this year (I live in France now) so that my money doesn’t keep going to funding shit like this.
@Gargron then the EU would learn what it means to not only have everything in US "clouds", but also realize that even where we don't, people access everything through the OS of the american Microsoft, american Apple or american Google...
These are the American oligarchs who want to loot the natural resources of nations.
Ukraine
https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/russia-u-s-peace-business-ties-4db9b290
Nigeria, Venezuela, Greenland, Canada are targets.
Sanction these oligarchs first.
1. Elon Musk $291,482,587
2. Timothy Mellon $197,047,200
3. Miriam Adelson $148,304,900
4. Richard Uihlein $143,498,936
5. Ken Griffin $108,402,284
6. Jeff Yass $101,128,680
7. Paul E. Singer $66,800,800
8. Marc Andreessen $42,365,113
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9. Stephen Schwarzman $40,202,039
10. Timothy Dunn $35,780,200
11. Rob Bigelow $34,991,500
12. Diane Hendricks $33,165,417
13. JJ Ricketts $32,273,650
14. Shirley W. Ryan $32,198,116
15. Warren A. Stephens $25,895,650
16. Laura Perlmutter $25,344,890
17. Vince & Linda McMahon $23,961,659
18. Ronnie & Nina Cameron $21,372,500
19. Jan Koum $20,855,091
20. Thomas Klingenstein $17,410,263
21. Rob Walton $17,572,601
22. Janet J. Duchossois $16,306,033
23. Howard W. Lutnick $16,503,667
3/
24. Kelcy L. Warren $16,151,105
25. Walter W. Jr. Buckley $15,522,500
26. Thomas Peterffy $14,305,900
27. Anthony Pratt $14,000,000
28. Sherrilyn Fisher $13,299,894
29. David Millstone $13,413,486
30. Lynne Walton $13,037,750
31. Charles Schwab $12,801,600
32. Stephen Wynn $12,518,750
33. Anthony Lomangino $9,529,705
34. J. Christopher Reyes $9,536,425
35. Jay Winters Faison $9,084,324
36. James Davis $8,497,854
37. John W. Childs $8,694,286
38. Patricia Duggan $8,446,099
4/
39. Richard G. Haworth $7,500,800
40. Marc J. Rowan $8,721,299
41. Jeffrey & Loeffler Specher $7,052,013
42. John L. III Nau $7,030,556
43. Shannon V. Addison $6,757,065
44. Robert H. Book $6,986,387
45. Susan Fox $6,687,414
46. Patricia Perkins-Leone $6,606,600
47. Jeffrey Hildebrand $6,508,389
48. Bernard Marcus $9,397,150
49. Steve Brodie $6,481,298
50. Daniel Newlin $6,063,928
51. Trevor D. Rees-Jones $5,765,124
52. Sarah Perot $5,643,416
53. Harold C. Simmons $5,596,530
5/
54. Kelly Navarro $5,373,100
55. Alice Walton $10,248,000
56. Rob Granieri $5,587,899
https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors
@Gargron Also, with this coming so soon after those two criminals met, I'm wondering if Netanyahu is going to simultaneously start something in West Asia.
@eriksandblom @Gargron My country is currently ruled by incompetent, greedy idiots and a populist oligarch. Almost all of them are facing criminal charges and, of course, enjoy immunity. My stupid fellow citizens elected them. Legally. Does that mean the US can kidnap them, bomb our cities, and install its own oligarchs in their place?
@plsik @eriksandblom @Gargron Both things can be true, i.e., (1) the Maduro regime is illegitimate, only in power due to election manipulation and criminalizing opposition to itself, (2) the invasion by the US and the kidnapping of Maduro are premised on (a) lies about drug trafficking, and (b) desire for oil wealth
@GRA3432 unfortunately it’s not simple. I’d become stateless and then my visa allowing me to be in France would become void. I don’t have multiple passports.
@zed Ok, that's true. I was thinking you might have another nationality, too. Like this, you are really stucked.
@Digital_Coolie Well, I'd say those now will take place whileall eyes are on Venezuela.
So, please: #allEyesOnGaza
@Gargron
@Gargron I agree in principle, but sanctioning the US is economically an extremely bigger ask than sanctioning Russia.
@Gargron From a selfishly practical aspect, this was a dumb move. Millions of undernourished Venezuelans now expect us to provide food at the same time American farmers are struggling.
@Nazani well, the usa is also cutting the amount of aid too . The elite do not cares about Americans and Venezuelans
@ismailghedamsi I fear you're right. It's sad to see some Venezuelans celebrating as if there was going to be a "Marshall Plan" to revitalize the nation.
@Gargron
so quickly are our hopes shattered that I wonder if they were legitmate in the first place
https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/11583129344454976
@Gargron can? maybe.
will? I don't think so.
Won't happen, because i.e. we didn't do any kind of independance from american software ever.
(well that and ukraine would still be fucked if the USA is now suddenly gone completely)
this would actually hurt us, so we won't do it.
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Unlike many commentators here you at least are consistent with the chronology of events but you are still missing the point – Maduro voluntarily excluded himself from the international law in 2024 when the falsified elections, in the same way as Putin did in 2012 and Lukashenka in 2020. Also, in 2023-2024 he started a land grab in Guyana, now also conveniently forgotten by those who defend him.
So how does it work? Especially after 2014 and 2022? 😉
Here’s my understanding on how it works and I’d be happy to be corrected:
https://agora.echelon.pl/objects/f355a80d-f2f1-4fd4-8dcb-f193fc409205
Never heard of the ASPA? That's the US, since 2002. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act